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Re: Star Wars: Last Jedi Spoiler Thread

Post by Eilandor » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:21 pm

A turd of a film, wrapped in elegant paper.
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Re: Star Wars: Last Jedi Spoiler Thread

Post by Vardaen » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:28 pm

Eilandor wrote:A turd of a film, wrapped in elegant paper.
Agreed. :thr:
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Post by Shurijo » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:41 pm

It wasn't that bad.

Heck, they gave the director a full 3 movie trilogy (not counting this movie) of his own choosing before the movie was even released.

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Re: Star Wars: Last Jedi Spoiler Thread

Post by Vardaen » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:55 pm

It really was that bad.
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Post by Muskrat » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:31 pm

Really? What did you not like about it? I won't claim it was a masterpiece, but I thought it was one of the better Star Wars films.

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Post by Shurijo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:42 pm

Yeah, I'm in same boat as Muskrat. There's never been an actual REALLY GOOD Star Wars movie.

To me Rogue One is probably the best made and written and acted movie (could have been better but it worked). Even the originals were total campy, cheesy and not really that great (besides nostalgia).

This movie is definitely on par with all of the other SW movies, definitely better than any of the prequels which were dumpster fires.

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Post by TetNak » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:50 pm

It was probably the worst Star Wars moment since Gungans.

Leia reaching out from space and pulling herself back into the ship? It looked like 1977 Star Wars, only Lucas didn't do anything that stupid. Luke's character completely ruined.

Battle of Hoth redux.

The attacking First Order just keeps shooting at the cruiser, when it could just launch Tie Fighters like always? Also, their shots curve, which is so laser-like (Lol).

Snoke killed without any explanation of who/what he is?

The idea that Luke thought about killing Kylo, but their point of view differed, and so it changed everything was beyond silly. Poorly acted throughout of course. The whole Poe's gotta save everyone, but continually fucks up is funny, but really repetitive and annoying.

"Hey, there's one guy that can do this job! Let's go find him! Wait, there's another guy that can do this job, just happens to be in the same place we're going. Release these majestic creatures!!!!"

Total turd sandwich.
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Re: Star Wars: Last Jedi Spoiler Thread

Post by Shurijo » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:03 pm

TetNak wrote: only Lucas didn't do anything that stupid
midichlorians

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Gungans

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TetNak wrote: Luke's character completely ruined.
I found it totally possible. Luke was a farm boy who never did much/anything on his own. Blow up the death star? He couldn't have done it without Han/Chewie. Everytime Luke did something great in originals, it was because someone else helped him (and/or died helping/saving him). He became a legend because that's what everyone wanted him to be, not because he did great things. He didn't even kill the emperor, Vader did that. Becoming old and disillusioned with the pressure of being the legend/Jedi hero wasn't something a farm boy could handle. He didn't exactly have the best teacher either, Obi-Wan showed him a few tricks then died. Pretty much the same thing Luke did with Rey. He failed the students. He knew he failed the students. The story was basically his coming to terms with failure and restarting a dying rebellion. I felt Luke's story was probably the best and easiest to relate/figure out. (as long as you ignore EU which I do).

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Snoke killed without any explanation of who/what he is?
A bit disappointed, too. But remember, when the Emperor died in originals, we had no idea who/what/how he become Emperor. Lucas did a entire backstory in prequels for that.

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Post by Vardaen » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:21 pm

Tet and I rarely agree on things like this. We both agree on this. That says something!

The tension/plot was so stupid, the if Finn & Rose can hyperspace jump to some planet far far away, release the horses, then come back with random hacker who does honestly very little, then why the hell can't the First Order just hyperspace jump a few others hips IN FRONT of the rebels?!

I started to write a bunch of things, but deleted them. Enjoy it if you enjoy it, but it was a wreck of a film that did not build on Force Awakens at all, and now Star Wars has more shitty films than decent ones. How is Star Wars still a thing?
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Re: Star Wars: Last Jedi Spoiler Thread

Post by ManWithDoor » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:53 pm

I'm completely in agreement with Vardaen and TetNak. I think the reason I was so disappointed is because there was some really good potential there, but they never built upon it. Or built upon it so little, it just served to frustrate me all the more.
1) Poe's Plot: Nothing he did ever mattered.
- That 'bombing run' in the beginning? It succeeded, but that didn't matter because they had another giant flagship up their butts in 5 minutes. If it hadn't succeeded, it wouldn't have mattered because the bombers would have run out of gas like everything else.
- The Mutiny? Only happened because the Admiral was a moron. It wasn't a character development moment ("you need to be more thoughtful, rather than always going by instinct, skill, and giant balls"). It was just stupid.
- Abandoning the Charge. Stupid. Why? What sign was there that they couldn't pull it off (even if it ended with their deaths)? It wasn't obviously a lost cause. And if this was supposed to be the culmination of his character development (maybe even a negative one, where he's doubting himself), we didn't see any of it, so it came off as counter to his character, and dumb.

2) Luke & Rey:
- Listening to Luke explain why 'the Jedi had to die' was my favorite ... 2 minutes of the film? I wanted to hear his reasoning, his philosophy. My friends and I have had plenty of discussions on the failings of the Jedi (both the Order and the philosophy), and hearing Luke give his thoughts was something I was looking forward to. But nope, we don't get nice things. It was "The Force belongs to everyone. And, like, nobody's perfect, so nobody can be the perfect example ... or something." No in depth back-and-forth, breaking down Rey's fantasies versus the reality of what the Jedi really did. Nothing. Total weak sauce.
- Rey's vision quest. Boring shit (great visuals, but useless). "I'm mad at you because you didn't resist the Dark Side vision." Well, when she went exploring, it showed her an infinite mirror ... and that's it. No corruption, no dark temptations ... just a cool visual, and then she went back. No consequences at all, good or bad.

I could go on, but it just makes me more sad / pissed. Who made the decision to make Snoke completely useless and unimportant? The Emperor didn't have his own prequel movie, but he was clearly in charge from SW IV - VI, and he actually does mess with Luke quite a bit on the 2nd Death Star. There was actual tension, rather than "I'm genre savvy - he's going to get killed by Kylo Ren in the next 2 minutes". Finn (who was one of the main character in Force Awakens) is sent on a useless Side Quest (literally - they accomplish literally nothing, and are saved by a Deus ex Machina). Why? And yet another waste of Brianne of Tarth. That illogical and god-awful execution scene. I didn't buy that shit for 5 seconds.

Oh, one last thing to rant on. Finn's "Hero's Sacrifice" against the siege weapon. Great setup. I was beginning to actually believe they might sacrifice a main character in this movie. It would be one hell of a capstone for the character, saving the day by ramming into the siege weapon. The visuals were beautiful, the music was swelling ...... and then the lady with a crush crashes into him and prevents him from accomplishing the goddamn Mission. Because she wants to bone. They would all have been slaughtered if the Level 20 Wizard didn't astral project there to save the day. Stupid. Useless. WHO WROTE THIS?!?
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