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Star Wars: Last Jedi Spoiler Thread

Post by Vardaen » Tue Dec 12, 2017 6:11 pm

Hey all,

Please no Star Wars The Last Jedi Spoilers on the threads, shout block, discord.

We can use this thread if you have to talk about the movie before everyone does. Give everyone about a month to see it. My own tickets aren't until the 28th!

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Star Wars: Last Jedi Spoiler Thread

Post by Vardaen » Fri Dec 29, 2017 3:07 pm

Well I finally saw Last Jedi last night. Who else saw it?

I think its safe to talk about it on this thread ONLY. In case anyone hasn't seen it.

IF YOU WANT NO SPOILERS DO NOT KEEP READING
Not so sure I liked it that much. Some good stuff, some stupid stuff, in general not my favorite that's for sure.
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Post by silverfoxdmt73 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:40 pm

I took my 11 year-old son to see it last week, he liked it.
To be honest, I went into it with fairly low expectations after having really hated the story for the Farce Awakens. It didn't reach those low expectations either. Like the first reboot movie, it was far too similar in plot to the original trilogy and the script was on par with the prequels.

So much copied that someone actually has to say "look it's salt!" as if to say, ' honest this isn't just another Assault on Hoth ripoff'.

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Post by Grimbold » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:13 am

I actually liked it. It was way less predictable than EP07. EP4-6 are still best, by far.

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Post by Shurijo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:48 pm

I also liked it for a few reasons.
Main reason I liked it was the fact that Rey (and boy at end) are just commoners and not a 'noble bloodline' type character. It brings back what I liked about ANH and what I wasn't too fond of about ESB. I never liked the whole bloodline/nobility/midichlorians bit and always liked having the Force just be more than blood/DNA, etc.

Didn't really enjoy the whole Finn/Rose/Casino storyline. I felt that Rose could have been completely removed from the movie and it wouldn't have changed anything in the movie. However, after reading about the point of that story arc, I see its usefulness but I still didn't enjoy it.

The story arc was when Finn went from being a 'good guy' to actually joining the rebellion. It's when he switched from just helping Rey/friend to actually wanting to become a 'Rebel scum', the arc was Finn's story morphing him into a hero/rebel rather than just a good guy being at the wrong place at the wrong time doing the right thing.

I liked Del Toro's character, but I didn't like his acting. I sorta thought he'd "Lando" the FO after turning Finn and Rose in. I actually thought it was him in the AT-AT shooting at first. But when he just turned out to be out for himself, I felt a bit disappointed but happy that they didn't re-do the Lando bit.

I was most surprised when Leia was spaced. I thought, well they did a good job editing the movie to make her die. Then when she came back, I was in complete shock. I kept waiting for them to kill her off. I had told my friend that I thought either Luke or Leia was going to die in each of the next movies and with CF's death, that they'd probably kill her off now and Luke in the next movie - looks like I had that backwards.

I was a bit disappointed in not even getting a tiny, even 1 sentence, about who Snoke was and how he become the Supreme Leader. I hope they at least give us something in books or otherwise.

About Rey and Kylo's visions - Rey said her vision was Kylo turning good and I think she misinterpreted that when he saved her and killed Snoke. So that leaves Kylo's vision - does Rey turn to dark side or did he lie to her or is he misinterpreting it - will it be part of next movie?

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Re: Star Wars: Last Jedi Spoiler Thread

Post by Shurijo » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:53 pm

silverfoxdmt73 wrote:I took my 11 year-old son to see it last week, he liked it.
So much copied that someone actually has to say "look it's salt!" as if to say, ' honest this isn't just another Assault on Hoth ripoff'.
The actor that said that was the director of Rogue One, Gareth Edwards, who also casted himself in Rogue One.

Also, Prince Harry and William were FO Troopers in the movie they were the ones that
captured/escorted Finn and Del Toro
Tom Hardy was also a FO trooper, but I think his scene got cut

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Re: Star Wars: Last Jedi Spoiler Thread

Post by Muskrat » Thu Jan 04, 2018 7:38 pm

I saw it last night. Overall I enjoyed, but I don't think it was as strong as The Force Awakens. It was much better than the prequel trilogy, Rogue One or even (blasphemous as this may sound) A New Hope (which is actually mediocre as a stand alone movie, instead of as an introduction to the series).
Based on the trailers, I was actually expecting something somewhat different. Given the way the trailers stressed Luke's disillusionment with the Jedi, I was expecting the movie to present a new take on the Force. It does play with that at the beginning, Luke stressing the balance in the Force and making some pretty pointed and legitimate criticisms of how the Jedi Order failed to stop the rise of the Empire. But then they never went any where with that. So initially, I felt a little disappointed, but once I adjusted my expectations, I was better able to enjoy the movie.

I thought it built on the character arcs started in The Force Awakens for Rey, Kylo Ren and Finn well, as well as giving Luke his own arc. (I think Fisher died after The Last Jedi was completed and they couldn't adjust. I think she was supposed to the central "old" character of episode 9, the way Han was in 7 and Luke is in 8. How they'll handle that now remains to be seen.) The character arcs didn't feel as strong as they did in The Force Awakens though, which I thought did a brilliant job of creating character arcs for Rey, Kylo, and Finn that were thematically connected with the original trilogy, but went in original directions.

I like how it took many classic scenes from the original trilogy and inverted them: Luke's training by Yoda vs. Rey's lack of training by Luke, and their very different experiences in the dark side cavern; the marginal hive of scum and villainy in the cantina vs. the wealthy hive of scum and villainy at the casino resort; the evacuation of the ice planet of Hoth vs. the last stand on the salt planet of Crait; the confrontation between Luke, Vader and the Emperor in the throne room vs. the confrontation between Rey, Kylo and Snoke and the very different outcomes of those confrontations; and the final battle between Obiwan and Vader vs. the final battle between Luke and Kylo. I thought they invoked those scenes well, while turning them about in a different direction.

I like seeing more women in various positions throughout the Resistance ranks (something oddly lacking in Rogue One, despite a female protagonist).

The biggest strength of the movie was all the twists and turns it took. I often thought I knew what was coming next and was then blindsided. In conventional pulp story-telling, Po, Finn and Rose's reckless plan to hack the First Order's tracking device should have worked and the more cautious Admiral Toldo should have been left looking like a fool--possibly even having her be the traitor who put the tracking device on board. Instead, Po's plan not only failed, but made matters worse by exposing the escape of the transport ships, while Toldo knew exactly what she was doing. And she went out like a complete badass.

The movie did, however, try to pack a lot in, possibly too much. And a few things were never explained--how Hux got the tracking device on the Resistance ships; why the Resistance couldn't locate the tracking device and remove it; why Holdo never explained her plan to anyone, even after the mutiny. Probably these things could have had some decent justification if they'd take the time--Holdo could have been worried about a traitor on board--whoever did plant the tracking device, possibly one of those people who tried to evacuate who Rose tased.

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Re: Star Wars: Last Jedi Spoiler Thread

Post by Grimbold » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:10 pm

Muskrat, I really agree with you, I thought the same.
I think they did now use a standard trakcing device, but some "new" technology used to track ships in hyperspace. And some article I read stated that this technology is even referenced in Rogue One, as it seems to be somewhere in the Imperial Archives. I did not check this in the movie yet, though.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperspace_tracker

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Re: Star Wars: Last Jedi Spoiler Thread

Post by Shurijo » Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:52 pm

@Muskrat
Muskrat wrote:why Holdo never explained her plan to anyone
If Holdo/Leia had told Po their plan, then half the movie could have been avoided. Finn wouldn't have needed to go find the hacker or board the Imperial ship or have the mutiny. They could have just all gotten on the transports and left probably with less casualties because Finn/Rose wouldn't have been discovered and the Imperials might not have noticed the transports.

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Re: Star Wars: Last Jedi Spoiler Thread

Post by Muskrat » Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:18 pm

Yeah, I get that. But the movie never explains why she didn't tell Po her plan and save all that trouble. And it would have been really simple to come up with a reason for her not to--she was worried about traitors on board. I think this is one area where the movie drops the ball.

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